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Cannibal Holocaust: 25th Anniversary Edition
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 6:56 pm    Post subject: Cannibal Holocaust: 25th Anniversary Edition Reply with quote

I was totally thrilled by this special 2 DVD edition from Grindhouse Releasing. Its brimming with all kinds of great treats for Exploitation lovers like myself. Did you see the trailers for Debbie Does Dallas etc? I know Blake and the guys must also be huge fans of this film. I really love it. I mean yes its very disgusting in parts but its so daring and well made. A true gem from the Grindhouse era.

This is my first post on CSB. I just wanted to say its an excellent site. My favorite Austin based movie site after AICN. Cheers!
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the comment and welcome! Our forum is brand spanking new (not even a week old). Favorite Austin sites of mine are AICN, Mobius and that one Drafthouse fan site when it was being ran.

It has been awhile since I've seen this film. I have the DVD somewhere but I think I lost it. I was trying to find it last night.

Speaking of Ruggero Deodato I want to check out Raro Video's release of his film "Waves of Lust." It's in the survival subgenre of Horror that I love.

http://www.rarovideo.com/eng/schede/ondata.htm

Other movies in this subgenre I've noted down... must see more.

* House on the Edge of the Park
* Last House on the Left
* Hitch-Hiker
* High Tension
* Wolf Creek
* The Hills Have Eyes
* Being Twenty
* The Descent
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yup, this is a great set. I got the "Deluxe" version instead of the "Anniversary" version though. No big changes I hear except for the packaging.

I honestly haven't been able to put this set down since buying the damn thing a week ago.

But I wish Grindhouse were able to get more DVDs off the ground from their catalog. I heard Cat in the Brain was supposed to come around the same time as Holocaust, but nothing in sight yet. And those trailers for Massacre Mafia Style and Gone with the Pope sure are tempting!
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 11:59 pm    Post subject: Cannibal Ferox Reply with quote

If y'all liked Cannibal Holocaust there is also an Ultrabit special edition of Umberto Lenzi's Cannibal Ferox which is the only film I know of that competes with the Holocaust. Ferox is basically the same movie as Holocaust with a few variations on the natives. We watched them both on the same night so I can't remember what happened in which movie actually. . . they're that similar.

Also there are the legendary Ginipigu movies to check out to test your gore/torture endurance. After watching the first two of these I feel like nothing is really that bad anymore. Sort of like burning your tongue so badly on a sickenly greasy piece of pizza that you can't taste anything ever again.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 12:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I never had any interest in watching the Guinea Pig series whatsover..... Not because I think I'd be all that grossed out by it.... I just could never see the appeal in watching some ultra-low budget film dedicated to just gore effects... It should at least try to make some semblances of trying to be a movie with a plot....

Same reason I've stayed away from lots of the Cannibal films, even though I've always had interest cause I've been a fan of the filmmakers behind them.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 12:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bryan wrote:
I I just could never see the appeal in watching some ultra-low budget film dedicated to just gore effects... It should at least try to make some semblances of trying to be a movie with a plot....

Same reason I've stayed away from lots of the Cannibal films, even though I've always had interest cause I've been a fan of the filmmakers behind them.


Ditto and ditto. Gore can be fun, but it's got to have a movie behind it, like Dead Alive. I don't see the fun in just watching special effects. It's kind of the same difference between a romance with sex scenes, and porn.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 7:57 pm    Post subject: gore Reply with quote

I won't try to defend the actual movies. I watched them more out of a "what the hell were they thinking?" curiosity and a weird masochistic urge to see how much I could take.

Also with Ginipigu the whole backstory on how Charlie Sheen thought they were real snuff films and the Otaku murders that were associated with them were what drew me to it more than the film itself. I just wanted to see what the fuss was all about. Other than that there is no reason to watch them. But trust me the first two are really gruesome. I have never watched anything that was more disturbingly gross in my life, counting actual surgery. I defy anyone to yawn at these once you've actually seen them (I'd still advise not seeing them). We were watching the time counter to make sure we could make it the rest of the way. "OK only 17 more minutes. We can make it."

The Cannibal movies were just not very well made and the gore was not really all that interesting. I would not have gone out of my way to see them but they happened to be playing at a movie night I attended.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Charlie Sheen thing was pretty funny. Must have been all the coke. I can't stand watching surgery - I think I would ditch out on the Guinea PIg films pretty fast. I put them as one of the several extreme categories of Japanese film I have zero interest in dabbling with, along with rape-oriented pink films, and anime tentacle porn. I've always put Italian cannibal movies in the same category, though I'd watch those before the former.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 11:54 pm    Post subject: tentacles Reply with quote

Yeh, what the hell is the deal with the tentacles. I ate at a Japanese place on St. Mark's the other day and they had what looked like an old drawing of an octopus getting in on with a damsel on the specials menu. So creepy!
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 2:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

David wrote:
The Charlie Sheen thing was pretty funny. Must have been all the coke. I can't stand watching surgery - I think I would ditch out on the Guinea PIg films pretty fast. I put them as one of the several extreme categories of Japanese film I have zero interest in dabbling with, along with rape-oriented pink films, and anime tentacle porn. I've always put Italian cannibal movies in the same category, though I'd watch those before the former.


I agree with you about the rape pink-films.... I've always strayed away from them.... however, I've always been interested in seeing the rape films of Yasuharu Hasebe (protoge of Seijun Suzuki, and most well known for Black Tight Killers, the Stray Cat Rock films, and Female Prisoner Scorpion: Grudge Song), just because of the infamy and cult followigmg behind them.... I know his Assault! Jack the Ripper is actually a somewhat critically acclaimed work of the genre, and was actually nominated for a few Japanese Academy Awards.... His Okasu! and Osuo are also consider the hypothesis of the genre...his Rape! The 13th Hour is, on the other hand, the film that pushed the genre so far pass the public's tolerancethat Nikkatsu stopped making them for 2 years, but even then is suppose to be better made than the bulk of the genre.... Even though I would normally stray away from them, I actually think his films would be worth looking since there considered a notch above the rest of the genre.....
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 6:46 am    Post subject: Re: tentacles Reply with quote

Pete wrote:
Yeh, what the hell is the deal with the tentacles. I ate at a Japanese place on St. Mark's the other day and they had what looked like an old drawing of an octopus getting in on with a damsel on the specials menu. So creepy!


There's a very famous old shunga (erotic) woodblock print by Hokusai (best known in the US for the Great Wave) of a female pearl diver and an octopus. Shunga were a pretty strong sub-genre of ukiyoe prints back in the day. It's pretty far out stuff, especially for the 1840s. Hokusai always was ahead of his time though.

There's a link to it at the bottom of this page
http://members.aye.net/~gharris/blog/2002/12/japanese-culture-link-of-day-some-time.html


I've been fairly let down by Hasebe in general, I thought Black Tight Killers, Grudge Song, and Bloody Territories were all disappointing. Charlie has repeatedly said not to bother with Stray Cat Rock: Sex Hunter. I don't know, a lot of people love him, but he never does much for me. Given that, I'm not touching any movie of his with "Rape" in the title with a ten foot pole. Gotta draw the line somewhere.

I find the staging of sexual assault for titillation in general to be one of the most unpleasant aspects of HK and Japanese cinema. It's a real issue in Shaw Brothers films in particularly - male sexuality is so retarded in those movies. Basically, most men are either naive and scared of women, or drooling, gibbering rapists. Not great role models for young impressionable kids, I would think.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 7:03 pm    Post subject: rape etc. Reply with quote

Also some of those old Yakuza movies (I'm thinking of a few with Bunta Suguwara, Graveyard of Honor, etc.) where the main character randomly picks a woman to rape and afterwords she's stuck with him and willingly becomes his, er um, "mistress." I guess this might be saying something about the plight of women in the underworld but it comes across badly. It's the only problem I've got with these otherwise incredibly cool movies.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, Graveyard of Honor and Street Mobster. I think Kim Ki-duk has unfortunately picked up on that with his Bad Guy. He has to watch it, or that misogynistic tag will stick forever.

I'd agree that the women in Kim's movies aren't treated like real people, but neither are the men, so that isn't inherently a problem. On the other hand, some of the uses to which he puts his fairy tale stick figures are troublesome. I do think the man is very talented (though I hated The Isle), so I'm hoping for the best.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 12:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It's a real issue in Shaw Brothers films in particularly - male sexuality is so retarded in those movies. Basically, most men are either naive and scared of women, or drooling, gibbering rapists. Not great role models for young impressionable kids, I would think.


I wouldn't agree with that assessment of Shaw Brothers films. I think perhaps with certain directors it's more true but as a whole I wouldn't lump everyone into the same generalization. Name all the Chang Cheh films where this is the case, for instance? I've watched hundreds of Shaw Brothers films and rape rarely surfaces in any of them and when it has it typically has been at the hands of trully bad men. There are far more examples of it outside Shaw Brothers kung fu films of the 70's from what I've seen. The real progression in retarded male sexuality for me occurs in Shaw Brothers films closer to the 80's when suddenly some are trying to be like the Jackie Chan comedies.

As for cannibal and gore films there is a huge fan base of people out there that loves them. I've never gotten really into them but thats just me. Seeing real cadavers getting sliced open on celluloid is a bit much.

Cinema will always continue to explore the human condition and human suffering. At what point does it draw the line or refrain is obviously open to debate.

As for the Yakuza films I've always felt they were showing the lifestyle as it was, warts and all. They show all the bad sides and don't sugar coat them.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 1:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It doesn't occur in Chang Cheh movies because there aren't any women in them Smile

I'm not going to try and run through a list of movies, but I'd strongly disagree that rape rarely surfaces in Shaw movies. It rarely surfaces in Chang Cheh and Liu Chia-lung movies, yes. In the horror, sex, and less classy martial arts/action films (of which there are many, many) it surfaces quite frequently. Ho Meng-hua and Kuei Chih-hung in particular(though I think both those directors have lot of good points to compensate), but they are far from the only directors. Even where there isn't rape, the level of immature sexuality (ranging from virginal heroes who can barely touch a woman, to grown men who drool and paw at women like retarded parodies of teenagers) is high.

Sometimes in Yakuza movies they are trying to show the lifestyle, but I'm not going to delude myself that all the nudity isn't more for titillation than for anything else. Nothing wrong with that, it's also been the formula for arthouse films for a long time - bit of art, bit of skin. My issue is that I perceive HK and Japanese films as frequently portraying sexual assault in a manner intended to be titillating, which I'm not keen on.

It's one of the (many) reasons Terrifying Girl's High School was such a pleasant surprise. Given how incredibly sleazy that film is, when the innocent girl is assaulted I was expecting a long drawn out scene with camera angles maximizing nudity and whatnot. I was impressed that they went with a demure cutaway that captured the horror, but totally eliminated the titillation factor.
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